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		<title>Comment on Video Guide to the rapids of the Grand Canyon by Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, sounds like you are based in Texas so I would do a little research through some Texas locals. Check in with Dan at Mud Outdoors in Austin he should have the beta you need. Woody&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=697&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, sounds like you are based in Texas so I would do a little research through some Texas locals. Check in with Dan at Mud Outdoors in Austin he should have the beta you need. Woody
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		<title>Comment on Video Guide to the rapids of the Grand Canyon by Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! that&#039;s insane! i&#039;ve always wanted to kayak and i did this past weekend. the gualalupe. beautiful water. i did 10.25 miles with some friends. it was my first experiance with kayaking and..it actually wasn&#039;t challenging enough. i don&#039;t think i&#039;m ready for the canyon just yet lol but i want to tackle something else.a longer trip maybe. more white waters and plan a trip for some friends and i when i get some leave time. anything in mind guys? i&#039;d appreciate it. thanks.&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=566&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! that&#8217;s insane! i&#8217;ve always wanted to kayak and i did this past weekend. the gualalupe. beautiful water. i did 10.25 miles with some friends. it was my first experiance with kayaking and..it actually wasn&#8217;t challenging enough. i don&#8217;t think i&#8217;m ready for the canyon just yet lol but i want to tackle something else.a longer trip maybe. more white waters and plan a trip for some friends and i when i get some leave time. anything in mind guys? i&#8217;d appreciate it. thanks.
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, We never had a problem with seepage. We were paddling in Jan. and temps were in the low to mid 40&#039;s during the day so we did not have a problem with pressure building up. Here are a couple of Groover secrets. 1- forest service does require that you do not use wag bags.... however we did. It makes using the groover a much better experience. We all made a plug out of foam that seperated the poop end from the rest of the tube. This worked great as a storage place for toliet paper, or anything else you want to put in there. One thing that we made was a wrench for the groover. I made one out of a small hard plastic cutting board... by simply tracing the square knob on the treaded cap and cutting it out of the center of the cutting board... This made a great wrench and I also was able to use the groover as a table (I know it sounds weird but it worked great). I dug a hole and stood the groover up packing sand around the edges... then sat the cutting board on top to cook. I also used it as a stool (no pun intended) around camp. Woody&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=494&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, We never had a problem with seepage. We were paddling in Jan. and temps were in the low to mid 40&#8217;s during the day so we did not have a problem with pressure building up. Here are a couple of Groover secrets. 1- forest service does require that you do not use wag bags&#8230;. however we did. It makes using the groover a much better experience. We all made a plug out of foam that seperated the poop end from the rest of the tube. This worked great as a storage place for toliet paper, or anything else you want to put in there. One thing that we made was a wrench for the groover. I made one out of a small hard plastic cutting board&#8230; by simply tracing the square knob on the treaded cap and cutting it out of the center of the cutting board&#8230; This made a great wrench and I also was able to use the groover as a table (I know it sounds weird but it worked great). I dug a hole and stood the groover up packing sand around the edges&#8230; then sat the cutting board on top to cook. I also used it as a stool (no pun intended) around camp. Woody
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should the groover be air/water tight?  I’ve done a water test and the lid seeps a very little water.  I’m thinking that might be alright so the unit doesn’t build up too much pressure and it might help if I put the waste in wag bags or restop bags as I fill the groover.  Canyonlands Park Service (backcountry permits: 435-719-2100) told me using plastic garbage bags is Illegal and promotes health hazards as the waste is disposed of in trash cans.  I’m planning to empty the groover at an RV dump station.

I also wrapped some Teflon tape around the lid, which helped the seepage (a bit) and made it easier to open and close.

…thoughts, comments??
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the groover be air/water tight?  I’ve done a water test and the lid seeps a very little water.  I’m thinking that might be alright so the unit doesn’t build up too much pressure and it might help if I put the waste in wag bags or restop bags as I fill the groover.  Canyonlands Park Service (backcountry permits: 435-719-2100) told me using plastic garbage bags is Illegal and promotes health hazards as the waste is disposed of in trash cans.  I’m planning to empty the groover at an RV dump station.</p>
<p>I also wrapped some Teflon tape around the lid, which helped the seepage (a bit) and made it easier to open and close.</p>
<p>…thoughts, comments??<br />
dan
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...now I gotta figure out the foam part without having the boat here???&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=448&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;now I gotta figure out the foam part without having the boat here???
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx, I made my groover out of the 6&quot; green pipe (Vinyl Tech sewer pipe) …I made the wrench out of the same pipe stock...it fits up against the tube perfectly.  Thanks Woody for the inspiration.  ...off to the Colorado next week!! solo n with my xp, Dan&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=447&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx, I made my groover out of the 6&#8243; green pipe (Vinyl Tech sewer pipe) …I made the wrench out of the same pipe stock&#8230;it fits up against the tube perfectly.  Thanks Woody for the inspiration.  &#8230;off to the Colorado next week!! solo n with my xp, Dan
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would but your going to lose some storage space in the front or in the cockpit.  To be honest the key is to find the PVC thin wall pipe.  We never found that in four inch so we went with the six inch.  You can reference the post with the spreadsheet Boyce made for exact details.  Hope this helps.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would but your going to lose some storage space in the front or in the cockpit.  To be honest the key is to find the PVC thin wall pipe.  We never found that in four inch so we went with the six inch.  You can reference the post with the spreadsheet Boyce made for exact details.  Hope this helps.  </p>
<p>Woody
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the groover fit in the same space using a 4” pipe x 24” long in the XP 10??&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=421&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the groover fit in the same space using a 4” pipe x 24” long in the XP 10??
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sweet. I was in the ditch at the end of March and was wishing for a boat like the XP. Dreaming of a kayak-only self support in the future! Nice work!&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=299&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet. I was in the ditch at the end of March and was wishing for a boat like the XP. Dreaming of a kayak-only self support in the future! Nice work!
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		<title>Comment on The Groover, aka &#8220;Personal Human Waste Management System&#8221; by wiseclam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiseclam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, it&#039;s hard to find 6&quot; pipe!&lt;p class=&quot;wp-report-this&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com?moderation_action=report_form&amp;object_type=comment&amp;object_id=235&amp;width=250&amp;height=300&quot; class=&quot;thickbox&quot; title=&quot;Report this comment&quot;&gt;Report This Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, it&#8217;s hard to find 6&#8243; pipe!
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